
The Boeing B-17 has a special place in Star Trek history. (Above) Second from the left is Sgt Walter M. Jefferies, flight engineer and original Trek production designer, standing with his crew in front of their B-17, circa 1943 in Tunis, Tunisia. Matt peers from the flight deck as he prepares to take a 17 up for flight testing. Design similarities between the 1701 and the 17 are abundant. The flight deck and upper turret reflect the bridge and sensor dome. The front of the engine nacelles only need a bussard collector. In the near future I’ll run an article examining these similarities.
When BarBara Luna introduced me to Mike Forest, we hit it off immediately. When we found that we shared a mutual interest in WWII history, and in particular the Army Air Corp, that was that. When we get together with the girls, Mike and I are off and running, discussing and debating. Every once in a while Luna bangs on the table and pulls us back, “No sidebars!” she scolds. We can’t help it. Last month when Dorth tore an article out of the LA Times saying that the B-17 Liberty Bell would be in Burbank, I knew what we had to do for Mike’s birthday. Diana Hale, Mike’s beautiful wife later told me that Mike was giddy and grinning all week. “He can’t wait! He’s like a little kid!”
(Below) Birds of a feather - Mike Forest, known to Trek fans as the Greek God Apollo, and oh-so-serious Doug, prepare to get up in the blue via the awe inspiring 65 year old Flying Fortress Liberty Bell.

(Above) Lookit Mike! He’s totally stoked by my deciding to go on the flight in full authentic 1943 AAF gear. I’m legit from head to toe, some of it original.
(Below) Dorth and I had the honor and distinct pleasure of meeting two B-17 vets who were delighted to see me fully geared up. Top – That’s Charles N Stevens, 8th Air Force bombardier. He was a assigned to the 351st Bomb Group, 509th Squadron out of Polebrook , England in 1944. Bottom – Bill Blair was a 13th Air Force bombardier in the Pacific, assigned to the 5th Bomb Group, often referred to as the “Jungle Air Force”.

(Below) Here come Liberty Bell.


(Above) Nothing sounds like a B-17. The vibration of it’s engines reverberate clear through you. 12,677 B-17′s were built during the WWII. They came to symbolize strategic bombardment. Many classic films featured the “Flying Fort”… Air Force, Command Decision, Twelve O’Clock High, The War Lover, and Memphis Belle featured it. The B-17 was one of the first large, all metal, four engined monoplane bombers. It carried a crew of eight to ten men and was mounted with twelve .50 -calibre machine guns. It was designed to implement the concept of high altitude precision daylight bombing. The Americans would bomb targets of military value by day in clear weather, counting on tightly packed formations to protect themselves from fighter aircraft. In the early days of the war before fighter escorts were capable of accompanying them, it was a blood bath. There were missions when the Nazi war machine shot down 60 B-17s in a single day. War is hell.
(Above\Below) Legit from head to toe with crusher cap, A-2 flying jacket, B-3 life vest, T-30-S neck mike, AN-6513-1A chest parachute and harness, ANB-H1 headset, A8B oxygen mask, A4 flying suit, B8 goggles, Ray Ban aviators, ditch whistle, B-3 gloves, A-11 leather helmet,s and type 1 boots.
(Below) Typical bomber crew circa 1943.
(Below) The B-17 looks large on the outside, but is cramped inside. Sort of a reverse Tardis. Here I am traversing the tunnel between the flight deck and the navigator\bombardier compartment. Man, I’d hate to have to try to get out of there in a hurry while fighting inertia.
(Above) Giving Dorth a helping hand while in flight over Burbank. You can’t make it out here, but D is crossing a catwalk in the bomb bay, not more than two feet wide, with swaying chains for hand holds. It’s a tricky, sharp, pointy, lurching and unyielding place to make your way around. I couldn’t imagine doing it at 40,000 feet, 40 below zero and all while driving straight through flak heavy enough to walk on.
(Above) Is that a happy face? Mike Forest had a mind blowing experience flying Liberty Bell. It truly is like taking a trip through time. Mr. Forest is on the flight deck. As flight engineer, Matt Jefferies station would be standing right about where Mike is sittting. Immediately to the right of his left knee you can see the claustrophobic tunnel which connect sthe navigator\bombardier compartment to the flight deck.
(Above) I’m standing in the radio compartment with it’s slide-back roof. The Liberty Bell crew called it the “air conditioner” and warned us to hang on to your hat when passing underneath.
(Above\Below) Mike at the bombardier’s position in the plexi nose of the bomber. It’s an amazing feeling and an incredible view. That’s the famous Norden bombsite that made daylight precision bombing possible. It was one of the most closely guarded secrets of the war.
(Below) A vintage shot from ’44 of a swing shift Rosey putting finishing touches on a plexi nose piece in the factory.
(Above) A contemporary shot from ’10 of a tough as nails production accountant (a good one), giving ‘em what for. (Below) Dorth’s view of the San Fernando Valley. FYI – never wear rank on one of these missions, you could get shot down over Compton!
(Above) Not us, but looking a lot like us, a contemporary photo of the B-17 Nine ‘O Nine (not Seven ‘O Nine) over starfleet headquarters in San Francisco.
(Beleow) I had an incredible experience on the flight and truly felt that I added to that experience for myself and everyone else bt going fully suited up. When the others looked up and saw me entering the radio compartment, it was a true slingshot through time.
(Below) Mike back at his position for our approach and landing and Bob Hope airport…
(Above) …and making his egress in full John Wayne fashion.
(Above) Dorth and Doug take one last shot before debriefing.
We owe much to the 47,000 American airmen of the 8th Air Force who gave their lives in the prosecution of the air war in the European Theatre of Operations. That’s right, 47,000 from the 8th Air Force alone. Without their sacrifice it would have been a sorrier world. Our thanks.






Doug you look like a kid in a candy store, such fun! And what a great sport Dorth is, getting in to the action and looking good doing it. You guys are such a great pair
Amazing ! Who would’ve thought those flying behemoths would be so cramped on the inside ? How do our modern day jets ( military & otherwise ) stack up against them size – wise ?
Great entry !!!
Daniel
So that’s Apollo. Cool.
Thanks for this very entertaining report. The B-17 above the Golden Gate Bridge is awesome!!
Dude, that’s just fraking AWESOME!!!
Thanks for sharin’ that time with us all. Whatta a day for youse guys!
Fly high dug, Dorth, and Apollo, er… Mike! (BTW, yer part of one of my screen-savers, Mike/Apollo.)
deg
Deg — gotta say I’ve never seen two grown men grin so much! It was a genuine pleasure to ride shotgun (er, machine gun!)on a once in a lifetime thrill ride. Spent a few hours grinning myself!
Cheers,
Dorth
I hear ya, Dorth! I’da been ear-to-ear as well if I had been with ya guys! For weeks I’d be grinnin’, my face would cramp up I suspect.
peace | deg
BTW, in an upcoming interview I did for a 3D forum I was asked who in the world I’d like to meet and why, and I answered: my bud, Doug Drexler. And you too, of course, Dorth. Some day, eh.
peace | deg
You guys are too much!!!! Going in the appropriate attire is priceless!!! I too share great interest in WWII aircraft. Had a chance to climb through Nine O Nine (and a B-24)with my son many years ago. It was awesome as is your great photos above. Thanks for sharing.
Here is my son 19 years ago (wish I had taken more photos!)
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Doug! You had a nice birthday present, dude! Thank you for sharing this.
That gear looks bad-ass.
I have to say, that shot of the B-17 over the bridge is one of my favorite things ever posted on this blog.
Man, what a thrill this would have been! You really look and sell the part well there Doug! Dorth is looking the part too. Love the silk (I think??) scarf!
How long of a flight did you get to go on? I imagine it was over too soon because doing something fun like that usually feels that way! What a wonderful thing to do for Mike’s birthday!
Thanks to all the Air Force men and women who fought so gallantly during the war! We owe you an everlasting debt of gratitude!
It was worth the wait to get the whole scoop behind your LIFE Magazine cover shot! What an out of this world blast-from-the-past all of you got. Yea, Dorth, for doing the fairer sex proud with your machine gunning skills!
Keep on givin’ us ‘files dwellers these great vicarious experiences, sharing your life through great sacrifice of time and energy. Can we say thanks enough? Three cheers for dug!!
My maternal grandfather was a technician in the Far East Air Force based out of Singapore in WW2 and like you, I have the greatest of respect for the sacrifices made by those who served.
If anyone’s looking for a great and uplifting WW2 film, I’d suggest “The Tuskegee Airmen”.
BTW, Mike Forest is huge! I had no idea he was THAT tall!
Get ‘em, Dorth!
Thanks for sharing those great pictures! What a joy to be able to put a smile like that on someone’s face. You guys are too much.
*My* friends won’t even buy me lunch on my birthday … *grumble grumble* …
I’d buy ya lunch for your BDay, pal! Is it true that it’s the thought that counts?
It is for me – thanks, De!
Thanks for the interior pics, especially the waist gunner pics with Dorth. I just bought a Dragon Tim Coburn B-17G waist gunner and needed a good pic to install the .50. BTW, how tall is Mr. Forest. I’m 6’3″ and I almost got stuck climbing around in a B-17 once.
OMG – this is fabulistic! What amazing photos – I just had a terrific time looking at all of them and reading everything you wrote – and how wonderful to see my darling Mike having such a
once-in-a-lifetime experience – you and Dorothy look terrific – what a memorable Birthday present! Thanks so much for including Mike – he’s still talking about it. Love you both (you and Dorothy). diana
You must have had the time of your lives! WOW!
My thoughts exactly….. From the ” Wish I Were In His Shoes ” department !!!!
Daniel
Say, that’s swell. Jeepers you sure are a hep cat Doug!
heh heh
I love the -17. Have family history in them from both sides of my family. When I was a young lad I joined the military book club and got a number of Fort books. I would probably have been able to pre-flight a 17 from memory when I was about 15. LOL I did not learn until much later about the connection between the 17 and the 1701. This made my heart soar. Two of my favorite things in all the world, and they are connected.
As for this entry, Doug you are the bees knees and quite dashing in that period uniform. Not sure which part inspires more envy here, being friends with Mike Forest, flying in the 17, or flying in a B-17 with Mike Forest. LOL
Very VERY cool post, and I am very much looking forward to the comparison between the 17 and 1701.
Take care
Jeff
:::::Ambles over to record player to listen to some Glen Miller:::::
Breathtaking pictures. And great looking uniform!
Cheers
Thorsten
WOW what a great experience. Thanks for sharing, I was grinning just reading the posting. My wife’s grandfather was a B-17 crew chief and top turret gunner, with the 487th BG, the “Gentlemen from Hell”. His BG was one of the groups that was inspiration for the movie “12 o’clock High”. We can never repay them their due for the sacrifices they made so we can be free.
Terry
Awesome shots and it looks like everyone had a wonderful time! Oh yeah, 8th Air Force rules!
Outstanding Doug!
Bill Blair is a friend of mine, so I have heard reports….
You need to show up at the West Hills Wendys on a Monday morning at about 930 AM and give the “Wings over Wendys” veterans a surprise visit-LOL! Tell these guys that you are recalling them to Army air Corp service!
You have some awesome shots- better than I have seen in some books…
But- I swear Doug that if I asked you if you had any flying garment from History, you would have it…except I have the spacesuit!
Jim Busby
I have ro add that Mike Forrest makes one Happy flyer, Okay I will say it…”Apollo is go”!
JM Busby