22
Oct
09

Jörg’s LA Away Mission – Part 4

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(Above) Bronson caves… hard to believe that this remote looking cave\canyon combo is just a few minutes from the Paramount main gate.  (Above) Bev and Picard egress the Trek side of the cave.

LA trip – day four

My last day in LA. My plane would leave at 2.30 PM so I had until noon to visit one more shooting location. Originally, I had planned to visit the MTA building and the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion on Monday morning, but as I had squeezed that in on Sunday, I had some spare time for yet another location. But where to go? In comes Larry Nemecek to save the day. He offered to take me to Bronson Canyon to see more than just Batcave. I had always thought Bronson was too far away and that I wouldn’t have enough time to go there, so I never took any screenshots with me. I would have to do this one without any research – this made the experience much more memorable, though.

(Below) This location has literally appeared in hundreds of movies and TV shows.

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(Below)) ATOMIC BATTERIES TO FULL! TURBINES TO SPEED! Jorg about to learn not to loiter in the high speed egress of a superheroes cave!

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(Above) The iconic 60’s Batcave.

Larry picked me up at about 9 and we headed off to Griffith Park again. If there is nothing else going on up there, you can drive your car right up to the Canyon in front of the cave. That day, however, something was going on up there, the canyon was used as a shooting location for some TV series. So, we wandered up the hills, past a bored security guard, to the entry of Bronson cave. The entry to the canyon was graced by camera dollies and porta potties. Crew people were standing around, cable was lying on the ground, winding right through batcave and more security guards were present. I thought they’d never allow us to see Bronson Canyon proper, especially as I was carrying around my camera. Turned out it was no problem at all, so we approached the man-made side of the tunnel and I posed for some photos in front of this opening of the tunnel, the side used in the old Batman TV series (“POW!”, “BAM!”, “ZOKK!”)

(Below) Ensign Ro, Picard, and Data on Valo II, and the real deal in Griffith Park today.

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Emerging on the other side of the tunnel (the Star Trek side) was quite an eye-opener. Maybe because I hadn’t prepared any screenshots and done research on the location, it seemed all so much cooler. After leaving the cave, you immediately get the feeling that you are again in Star Trek land, as every corner of the valley seems familiar from some episode. Right in front of you is the place where Picard and Dathon were fighting the invisible monster from “Darmok”, you expect some rocks to tumble down the cliffwall any second now, just like in that great episode.

If you turn to the right, you see the Bajoran camp on Valo II in “Ensign Ro”, or Shakaar’s farm on Bajor in the eponymous episode. If you take a few steps forward and look back at the other side of the tunnel, you immeditately see the cave on Kesprytt III that Picard and Beverly leave in “Attached”. It is the same cave where Seska finds some mushrooms for Chakotay and secretly establishes contact with the Kazon in “State of flux”.

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(Above) Location for “Inner Light” and “The 37’s”.  In the distance, the Hollywood sign smiles down upon frequent film production in the canyon.

If you look at the cave, take a few steps back and then turn to your right, you see a very famous rockwall. Picard stood in front of the same wall, looking down on Ressik in “The inner light” and next to this wall, Voyager landed in “The 37s”. In both episodes, the view of the landscape was extended using matte paintings and digital tricks, no doubt, because otherwise the Hollywood sign would have been seen on those alien planets…

I took countless photos trying to remember some camera angles from the various episodes, hoping they would match with some screenshots I would do back home in Germany (I was lucky in some cases, as can be seen ;-) )

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(Above) Jorg and Larry stumble upon a current shooting crew plying their trade. (Left) Fake rocks and Hollywoodland. (Right) “We’re losing the light, people!”

I had lots of fun scouting the valley with Larry, climbing up the sloped canyon walls as far as possible to get just another shot of the valley, or two, or three… Only then I realized that this part of the valley had also just been used as a shooting location by the camera crew on the other side of the tunnel: at the bottom of the canyon, fake rocks were lying around – ahh, the Hollywood magic! It was fun seeing those rocks up close – they look just as fake in real life as on TV ;-)

I also only then noticed a smashed car halfway up the rockface, it must have been put there by a crane to simulate a car accident for the TV show that was filmed in the canyon that morning. So, if you ever see that smashed car in some upcoming TV show, let me know! I would love to find out on which TV set I was stumbling around that morning, I only hope it’s something cool and not 90210 or Melrose Place, ugh.

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(Above) DS9 made frequent trips to the canyon. Bajoran troops make their way down the treacherous incline.

Even though I had been looking forward to Vasquez Rocks and Tillman most, Bronson Canyon really is the location that has left the biggest impression on me. More episodes were shot here then at Vasquez Rocks or Tillman. The canyon is also really small, so you just have to walk for a few meters to see the canyon from a different angle and immediately recognize the rock formations from a different episode. Also, entering the canyon through the dark tunnel and then emerging on various alien planets at the same time had a profound effect on this one Trekkie. Bronson Canyon rocks! (I know, I took two small stone samples – Bajoran stones – back home with me ;-) )

(Below) “Shaka, when the walls fell.“, from “Darmok”

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After taking some more photos, we headed back to Larry’s car and I left behind my last shooting location, knowing for sure that I would be back one day, prepared with lots of screenshots to find all the right spots.

I said goodbye to Larry and thanked him again for helping out. I had 30 mins left until my shuttle service picked me up and then I boarded my plane back to St. Louis.

My long weekend in LA was a blast, I definitely have to return there as soon as possible to visit all the other shooting locations and get a closer look at the ones I’ve already seen. All of this was made possible by three people: Jeff Zucker and Larry Nemecek who took me to all those places and Antonia Wortelboer who invited me to join her on the exchange to St.Louis as second chaperone. If it weren’t for them, I would have never made it to Vasquez Rocks, to LA or to the US, for that matter. Big thanks again!

Well, except for spending two great weeks with two very nice families in St. Louis, what other Star Trek related things did I do during my 2 ½ week stay in the US? Let me think:

  1. I saw the new Star Trek movie on my flight from Frankfurt to Chicago for the ninth time, on a tiny screen.

  2. I saw the new Star Trek movie in a St. Louis IMAX theatre for the tenth time, on a massive screen (my very first time in an IMAX theatre – just awesome) and turned somebody into a fan – Hey Colleen!

  3. I bought the new Scene It? ® DVD board game which cannot be found anywhere in Europe. I thought I would have to buy a region-free DVD player to actually play the game but it turned out the DVD is region free

  4. I met the Krumrey family who had hosted one of our German students and had just returned from Archon 33. We had lots of fun discussing all kinds of Trek-related stuff at the BBQ. Hey Krumreys!

  5. I learned that “Arena” is a favorite for some Chemistry teachers, Kirk creating an explosive device the McGyver way in that episode ;-) Hey Joel!

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(Above) Jörg’ at Madame Tussaud’s in London.

Okay, finally, 5 Star Trek related things I didn’t do during my 2 ½ weeks in the US:

  1. I didn’t see one single episode of Star Trek on TV, except for the final moments of “Elementary, dear Data” which I caught in my hotel room in LA.

  1. Even though I had taken my tribble with me – whenever I am abroad, I take it with me to take photos of the Tribble at all kinds of famous and strange locations – I didn’t take a single shot of the tribble at any shooting location. I guess a Tribble on Betazed or Vulcan is just too unspectacular, or maybe I completely forgot about the furball in my backback ;-)

  1. Although I encouraged my students to try root beer to experience something new and different in the US (quoting Quark: “so bubbly and cloying, and happy… just like the Federation”), I didn’t take a single sip.

  1. I passed the toy aisle at Wal-Mart’s and for a brief moment, thought about buying an action figure from the new movie.

  1. Even though I stayed in St.Louis, hometown of Budweiser, and came pretty close to the Budweiser plant in Van Nuys, I never felt the urge to visit one certain shooting location – the engine room of the new Enterprise…

I hope you had some fun reading about my shenanigans in the US, and I can say for sure, in my best Austrian-English accent: I’ll be back!


31 Responses to “Jörg’s LA Away Mission – Part 4”


  1. 1 sodala
    October 22, 2009 at 9:24 am

    erster! ;) wow, ein super Bericht, Jörg. Ich wünschte, ich hätte nicht so verdammt viel Schiss vorm Fliegen, sonst würde ich da auch mal vorbeischauen :) *blaß vor neid*

    -sodala

  2. 2 Barrie Suddery
    October 22, 2009 at 9:26 am

    Great report Jorg. Am really excited about the Ex-Astris-Scientia report you’re preparing and cannot wait to see it.

    Glad you enjoyed yourself and if anyone from the Californian tourist board is reading this, you should think about hiring Jorg as I’m left with a buring desire to visit L.A.

    P.S. any Red Dwarf fans out there might find this of interest.

    http://uktv.co.uk/dave/article/aid/630663

  3. 3 Ben
    October 22, 2009 at 10:12 am

    Danke Vielmals / Thanks a lot for all the infos, pics and I’m too looking forward to your report(s).

  4. 4 deg
    October 22, 2009 at 11:04 am

    Ah, great fun, dude! Thanks for sharing all that, eh! Glad you had such a good time in the USA! :)

    I can never look at the Bronson Cave opening without expecting It, from It Conquered The World to come lumbering (as if) out of there. :)

    And thanks, Doug, for providing the venue thus enabling us all to share in, Jörg’s Most Excellent Trek Adventure. ;)

    LLP,
    deg

  5. 5 Mirren Audax
    October 22, 2009 at 11:42 am

    Were the TOS episodes “Friday’s Child” and “Bread and Circuses” filmed here also? The photos show a familiar landscape…

    • 6 deg
      October 22, 2009 at 11:52 am

      Memory-Alpha has Shore Leave, The Alternative Factor, and Friday’s Child locations listed as the V,Rocks, Mirren Audax.

      Not sure about, Bread and Circuses. Can’t help but wonder about A Private Little War as well.

      LLP,
      deg

    • October 22, 2009 at 12:09 pm

      Going through my screenshots, I can definitely say that Bread and circuses was also filmed in Bronson Canyon. The familiar rockface seen on the above screenshots from “The inner light” and “The 37s” can clearly be seen. I think “Friday’s child” was just filmed at Vasquez Rocks, though.

      • 8 Jay
        October 22, 2009 at 2:28 pm

        Yeah, I definitely remember Kirk, Spock, and McCoy coming down a hill there at Bronson Canyon from “Bread and Circuses”.

        Good show, sir!

      • October 25, 2009 at 12:08 am

        Bread and Circuses was filmed there. The other side of the Bronson caves was the “Septimus caves” (as I call them) Also I believe Star Trek 6 Rura Penthe scens were shot within and just outsid ethe caves as well – same side as used in Bread.

        The shot you show with the crane is where Kirk, Spock and McCoy beamed down to the Bread and Circuses planet, just below the Hollywood sign in your picture.

        Might also check out a little film called “Return to the Batcave – the Misadventures of Adam and Burt” for some more recreated “Behind the scenes” of the Batman TV series. It shows this area today and recreated again for old Batman show. I recommend it if you are a TV batman fan. And I am in it twice as an extra – nice to have a wife who’s a studio exec . . .

  6. 11 Thorsten Wieking
    October 22, 2009 at 12:59 pm

    Jörg, once again a big “Thank you” for taking us with you on that trip. Funny how the things / places we didn’t plan to see in the first place finally turn out even more breathtaking than the once we planned on seeing.

    Besides the idea of a Star Trek Travel Guide to the U.S. – have you ever thought about doing a slideshow/”Diaabend” of your trip for Conventions?

    Cheers
    Thorsten

    • October 22, 2009 at 1:06 pm

      Thanks for the kind words! No, I hadn’t even thought about writing anything about the trip (except for the screenshot/photo comparisons for EAS) until Doug asked me to write a report for his blog ;-)

  7. October 22, 2009 at 1:29 pm

    Wow. I wouldn’t have expected Bronson Canyon to be so impressive, I wasn’t familiar with it. But yes, as soon as the first images were slowly coming up on my laptop with a USB surf stick (they are still loading as I am typing) I immediately remembered more episodes in which this place appeared.

    A great trip, Jörg. And next time I plan to take it with you! And I’ll hold the Tribble into the camera for you, if you want.

  8. October 22, 2009 at 1:40 pm

    The fact that Picard would be able to see the Hollywood sign if it weren’t for the matte painting is just awesome. :)

  9. 15 Mr. Wilde
    October 22, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    This was an excellent read! Great stuff! Thanks!

  10. 16 R.J.Minnes
    October 22, 2009 at 4:14 pm

    Well, this has been some pilgrimage, a Santiago da Compostella worthy…Thanks a lot Jörg

  11. 17 DeanneM
    October 22, 2009 at 5:45 pm

    I’ve really enjoyed taking this trip with you in blog land! There is just way to much to rave about, so I’ll just say the two little things that stuck out to me on today’s post…didn’t even have a sip of root beer? The sweet nectar so like the Federation? Hmmmm!

    And that poor tribble is probably feeling left out and unappreciated after having made that long journey with you and not even getting out of the bag to see the sights! :) You forgot…I bet that’s how Woody felt when he got knocked on the floor under the bed the day Buzz Lightyear showed up!

    Looking forward to more pics and details on EAS. Thanks for sharing!!

  12. 18 CarlG
    October 22, 2009 at 8:30 pm

    You forgot the root beer?!

    THIS IS A DISASTER

    Clearly, you’ll just have to do the trip over again… :D

    Seriously though, this was an epic travelogue, and I’m glad you had such an amazing time.
    I learned a ton about both Trek and LA. Thanks so much for a terrific ride!

    By the way, Mr. Drexler, did you ever have to work on any location shoots for Trek? If so, did they help or hinder the art department at all?

    Like, say, “We’re filming there? OK, cool, we know exactly put props to make it look different this time, we know we can add matte painting elements at locations A, B, and C really easily, etc.” Or, on the other hand: “Aw man, you want to film there? We’re gonna have to disguise that building cause it looks too 20th century; Trekkies have seen that area a million times, we need to make it look different again, and so forth”

    It just seems like the sort of thing that could cause a ton of headaches, or open up a lot of opportunities, and I was just sort of curious about the general attitude of the Trek behind-the-scenes guys about it.

  13. 19 FSL
    October 22, 2009 at 8:59 pm

    Too cool!

    Thanks so much for your lovely reports. It’s almost as good as being there myself.

  14. 20 Matt Boardman
    October 22, 2009 at 9:01 pm

    Very nice! Quite the treasure find there in the canyon. Definitely will pay more attention to these locations the next time I’m watching. I had no idea so many worlds are contained in that one location! :)

    Thanks so much for sharing your trip with us Jorg! It really has been fun reading about your experiences and taking a mental vacation of our own to these spots that you visited!

  15. October 22, 2009 at 9:54 pm

    Sorry, I am just chiming in after a busy day, but I’m glad Doug’s DSL switch finally gave the juice to Jorg’s last day! For all its close proximity, I had barely been over to the canyon/cave myself in 15 years, so it was doubly my pleasure to help out, Jorg! The diary has been a blast. As the Python boys said, “Well, that’s PLANNIN’, ain’t it!” {Self-Defence)

    BTW–The “A Private Little War” locations were shot at a ranch canyon in Chatsworth, in the NW corner of the [San Fernando] Valley.

    BTW #2–FWIW, I hate root beer. I don’t trust any drink I smell 10 feet away….

    • 22 DeanneM
      October 22, 2009 at 9:57 pm

      Hmm, I have a similar rule. I don’t trust people who don’t like root beer (but occasionally I’ll make an exception, since you helped Jörg on his incredible journey :) ).

      • 23 Jay
        October 24, 2009 at 6:24 pm

        Grampa Simpson says root beer angries up the blood, but its rich in proteins and electromagnetic juices. It promotes robust health. Of course, it is known to cause gigantism, but only in rare cases …

    • October 25, 2009 at 12:10 am

      Hey do you know the this location is now a subdivision or a mall? Or is it still as it was . . ?

  16. 25 Scott D
    October 22, 2009 at 10:20 pm

    Too bad about the Tribble thing. Would’ve been like the Gnome from the Travelocity gnome, being shot at certain locations.

    And of course it would’ve been chuckles to see it on top of Patrick Stewart’s head. :D

  17. October 22, 2009 at 10:58 pm

    Thanks for the logs Jorg – sounds like a wonderful experience!

  18. 27 JNG
    October 23, 2009 at 2:43 am

    You guys have never had good root beer. That’s the only explanation.

  19. October 23, 2009 at 8:14 am

    Thanks for that location clear-up/info on APLW, Larry. :)

    LLP,
    deg

  20. October 23, 2009 at 11:45 am

    The Phantom Empire with Sybil Danning was shot all around that area !! :) http://bsmbow.blogspot.com/2007/03/phantom-empire-1986.html

  21. October 24, 2009 at 8:51 am

    The Bronson Canyon cave was also used for the Rura Penthe mine interior in Star Trek VI. Herman built an extension onto the front of the cave, so part of it was a set, and part of it was the real cave.

  22. October 24, 2009 at 8:52 am

    And it was used in the episode “Moonrock” of the old sci-fi detective series SEARCH.


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