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09

Enterprise J Search Redux

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Long missing images of the Enterprise J finally turn up showing the underside of the mysterious vessel. 

I Opted for spindly nacelle struts because I felt it suggested a technology beyond what we were familiar with. Matt Jefferies used this same gag on the original series ship with it’s impossibly thin engine supports. It’s nacelles had a floaty appearance, defying the laws of physics. It was my opinion that the ever heavying up of engine struts over the years, took some of the magic out of the Enterprise.

(below An aft view reveals a somewhat elegant starship, and for me, the design suggested a far-flung era.

 

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More info on the search – http://drexfiles.wordpress.com/2009/02/16/enterprise-j-search/


89 Responses to “Enterprise J Search Redux”


  1. 1 BB43MAN
    March 29, 2009 at 2:45 pm

    I’ve seen various negative comments on other boards about this design but, I’ve always liked it. It’s nice to see other views of it for a change. The flush windows on the primary hull are an inovative idea! Nice pics! Thanks for posting them!

  2. 3 MikeZ
    March 29, 2009 at 2:58 pm

    Never been a fan of this design as a whole but I like the effect of the windows on that thing. IIRC it´s the same effect as for the windows on top of the Vanguard Station model.

  3. March 29, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    The spindlyness of the nacelle pylons always unnerves me when I see this ship, I just can’t suspend my disbelief. I’m too stuck in the 20th century… :) But it does look rather nice from behind.

  4. March 29, 2009 at 3:33 pm

    Ah, you fund another cool shot of the interstellar record player. :)

  5. 8 Mark Delgado
    March 29, 2009 at 3:45 pm

    Thanks Doug! I really dig the rear view. Very futuristic looking.

    It’s kinda funny, actually. All this time we were all wondering what the underside of the Enterprise-J looked like, and it turns out that it was just a carbon-copy of the top side :-)

    Do you have the actual orthographic views?

    • 9 dougdrexler
      March 29, 2009 at 3:51 pm

      Hi Mark – I remember thinking the same thing when it turned up. I did another version called the “Congo”, which had a secondary hull based on the wing ship. I’ll see if I can find it.

  6. March 29, 2009 at 3:56 pm

    I have always liked this one. To me it looks like a beautiful twinkling city that someone decided needed nacelles. But it also has an organic feel that makes me wonder if she was grown rather than built. The first time I saw her in full I thought the E-J resembled a sea creature that had gotten lost in a sea of stars.

    I am still curious as to her actual size and the height of her saucer.

    And I have to ask, is technology supposed to always look functional? Should it always feel robust, clunky and utilitarian? Why can’t technology be a work of art? Can’t function follow form every once in a while? Of course this is a concept that is quite foreign to our social collective consciousness. We see a space ship and automatically assume it must be built like Hoover Dam to get the job done. (I blame George Lucas for this.) A delicate profile does not always mean that a vessel is actually delicate. It may take some time to reverse that idea in people’s minds but I would think that in the future our perception of technology will change to include a higher priority for aesthetics. Besides, why would the human race build a “tin can” to display our mental, social and technologically accomplishments to our galactic neighbors. They wouldn’t. As Spock would say, “It would be illogical.”

    • 11 dougdrexler
      March 29, 2009 at 4:00 pm

      Bryant, you’re my kind of guy! Gene Roddenberry called it “technology unchained”. I loved that the first time I heard him say it. What a free thinker he was! In this furture era, form is as important as function. A lot of it is about the art.

  7. 12 dougdrexler
    March 29, 2009 at 4:27 pm

    Looking at it again for the first time in a long time, I see the IDIC design influence. I mean that the basic form mimics the IDIC pendant.

  8. March 29, 2009 at 4:47 pm

    It should look like something designed by people from a hundred or more sapient-sentient species.

  9. 14 Freak
    March 29, 2009 at 4:49 pm

    I for one never really liked the desgin.
    The problem with it was mainly due to the primary hull looking flat.
    It looks like only behing 3 or 4 decks high. but those windows made it look like a lot more.

    Still it is Futuristic looking.

  10. March 29, 2009 at 5:17 pm

    It is nice seeing the Enterprise-J all lit up and at warp speed, one can only imagine what the bridge or engineering looks like. Thanks for sharing these.

  11. 16 BB43MAN
    March 29, 2009 at 5:35 pm

    Perhaps that far in the future, the ship is practically a living thing, organism, life, or whatever you care to call it. Maybe families, whole generations are born, grow up, serve aboard and die without ever leaving the ship? I like the asthetics of the design. It’s also deceptive, in that it looks peaceful but, probably can yield some serious destruction, if it’s so needed.

    I’d like to see the CONGO, if you can find it.

    • 17 dougdrexler
      March 29, 2009 at 5:39 pm

      BB – That’s exactly the kind of speculation I hoped that the J would elicit. I see a lot of the ship having been grown. Not strange because I always felt that the TOS ship hull may have been grown like a crystal ceramic. as much as I like the A, it looks like it was welded together. I think that by the time we are hopping galaxies, welding would be as strange as the printing press.

  12. 18 Paul
    March 29, 2009 at 5:46 pm

    I didn’t like this so much before but seeing the rest of her now and I’m falling for her.

  13. March 29, 2009 at 6:13 pm

    “one can only imagine what the bridge or engineering looks like”

    It’s thoughts like that they keep me constantly scribbling in a notebook. (Unlike Doug and his shiny 3D tools, I am still a little old school when it comes to my designing techniques.) I see engineering as this long narrow corridor stretching the length of the ship. The core would be quiet small because of the advances in power generation and the plasma generated would be sent back through this “corridor” in a narrow transparent conduit. It would be vast yet very simplistic. In my mind the bridge would be egg-shaped and terraced with a few simple clustered work bays and feature a very organic rounded look to the walls and ceiling. The readouts/consoles would all be holographic. But that is just off the top of my head. My mind could spin out several dozen “looks” for this one.

  14. March 29, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    I echo Bryant’s thoughts but for one. I do not feel there is any need for any sort of reversal per se of thought or perception(s). I like seeing diversity of design myself.

    As to E-J, I remember the first time I saw her and was initially kinda thrown back, but then focused that this was E of the far-flung future. Thus, dropping ingrained knee-jerk-auto comparative perceptions, I thought (and still do) that she reminds me of an insect. And being a life-long fan of insects, of their efficiency and elegance of function in nature, strength of form and frame (relatively), and their elegant beauty as well, I easily perceived these attributes in E-J. I know the shape in not the same, but she always reminded me of a dragonfly, probably my all-time fav insect. I was (and am) always fascinated by dragonflies’ ability of controlled and efficient flight. As well as their aesthetics. What a glorious beauty is made. Seems natural to me the humans would emulate these advancements (and aesthetics) with their own technology, possibly going organic in construction in time, which would make perfect sense to me.

    As to TOS E being organic, the thought never occurred to me. I can see where you are comin’ from with the crystals and all, but I never perceived anything to suggest that technological path myself. But as Rick suggested (and I concur eleventy billion %): Trek is what we ourselves feel Trek is to ourselves. As to the printing press, you know that it was voted the most important invention of mankind, for obvious reasons of its proliferation of information (thus human growth). I would imagine the Internet fulfills that role now, in this; The Information Age.

    Side note: We saw Knowing Friday night, and the art direction in the film was awesome, IMO. *More info at bottom, spoiler info though.

    Anywho, as always, thanks for sharing Doug! :)

    PLL,
    deg

    PS. Ran across it was you b’day sometime this weekend, correct? If this info is correct, a BIG happy b’day to ya then, eh! If not, never-mind.

    PSS.

    SPOILER ALERT **** SPOILER ALERT **** SPOILER ALERT ****

    The alien(s) and the ship design were wondrous, very elegant and organic (and I’ve had a reoccurring dream for years with eerily similar designs of the aliens and the tree at the end). I enjoyed the film a lot, as did my wife and whole family.

  15. 22 Jay
    March 29, 2009 at 6:34 pm

    ” … it looks like it was welded together. I think that by the time we are hopping galaxies, welding would be as strange as the printing press.”

    Right – like you wouldn’t expect to see a starship being built on the ground, amid ginormous scaffolding, by sweaty guys with blowtorches and welding goggles.

    Oh wait.

    :)

  16. March 29, 2009 at 6:49 pm

    Hey Man, thanks a lot for those shots!

    Now i think i can “try” to model it for the project.

    Cheers.

  17. 24 colin
    March 29, 2009 at 7:07 pm

    The Enterprise-J is a beautiful ship. And, I agree that by the time we are exploring the galaxy, our construction methods will have advanced greatly. I too feel that the depiction of a starship being built on the ground is not very thought out and implausible.

  18. 25 DeanneM
    March 29, 2009 at 7:15 pm

    Looking at E-J from my point of view, which is mostly enjoying the design and artistic side, is a gorgeous sight! As BB pointed out, looks can be deceptive. She has a graceful air and even looks peacefull, but I can feel the power lying within.

    And as Dwight pointed out, E-J SHOULD be showing more influence from other races. There are beings we can’t even imagine still undiscovered in the ST universe with potentially limitless technologies and unknown minerals. Star Trek was born out of pure imagination combined with theoretically possible (maybe someday type of) technology, and IMO should continue to push that. Great design, Doug.

    Jim said, “Ah, you found another cool shot of the interstellar record player.”

    That almost sounds like an oxymoron – no disrespect intended. I see an HDD (hard disk drive), being an info sec major, and even those will be obsolete before we achieve interstellar travel!

  19. 27 AdmNaismith
    March 29, 2009 at 7:20 pm

    The Ent-J looks as much like an idea given form as much as a nuts-and-(self-sealing)stem-bolts ship. It feels like something you would catch out of the corner of your eye, but not be able to see when you turn your head.

    I like the design of this and the Runabouts equally, but for completely different reasons.

  20. 29 bender23
    March 29, 2009 at 7:51 pm

    Now THAT is cool! And that is saying something considering the wealth of neat things on this blog! Thanks, Doug!

    It’d be awesome to to see orthos of this beauty if there are any.

  21. 30 Jonathan Burke (TrekBBS' Praetor)
    March 29, 2009 at 8:18 pm

    La la la la la la la…

    I see an Altair as the J’s secondary hull…

    I see an Altair as the J’s secondary hull…

    I see an Altair as the J’s secondary hull…

    I see an Altair as the J’s secondary hull…

    I see an Altair as the J’s secondary hull…

    :D

  22. 32 andru1
    March 29, 2009 at 8:38 pm

    I can only agree with the positive comments posted above. When I first saw this ship, I was surprised, thinking “hmm… this is an unexpected design direction !” And that was the beauty of it. A ship a century or two more advanced than what we have seen this far has to be a bit strange, freed from the aesthetics of centuries past, maybe somewhat difficult to figure out. The E-J is all this. We have seen late 24th century Starfleet ships evolving towards compact shapes, tucked-in nacelles. The E-J is all the opposite, very aerial and elegant. A very appropriate design, and it must be beautiful in flight. Doug, did you ever try to animate the model?

  23. March 29, 2009 at 10:07 pm

    The spindly nacelle struts of the original E only look strange to us because we’re used to structures built for coping with gravity. In the microgravity of space, you wouldn’t need anywhere near as heavy a support framework to hold a ship together. I always felt that was the real thinking behind Jefferies’ design — to make a structure that could only exist in space. Too much subsequent Trek design has reverted to Earthbound thinking — not only heavier, boxier structures, but flatter ships. (“His pattern suggests two-dimensional thinking.”) Jefferies had a rare gift for capturing the ethereality of freefall design.

    Of course, you run into problems there if you treat the impulse engines as rocket thrusters capable of high accelerations. The original E design wouldn’t hold up very well to that kind of thrust coming from the rear of the saucer. That’s where the Sufficiently Advanced Technology has to come into play, like inertial damping, structural integrity fields, or reactionless propulsion.

    As for the hull plates on the refit E, I agree with you, Doug, that it seemed too primitive for the era. When I wrote my novel EX MACHINA, which takes place right after TMP, I threw in a rationalization for the hull plates. The separate plates were transporter-welded together so that their edges merged into a single unbroken structure (an idea I think I cribbed from the TNG Tech Manual), but each one had a different “grain” to its molecular structure so that any crack propagating through the hull would be stopped when it reached the interface between two plates. Of course, I imagine a hull nanotechnologically “grown” as a single unbroken object (General Products hulls, anyone?) could have such domain shifts built into its crystalline structure on a much finer scale. But the movie gave us plates, so I had to rationalize plates.

  24. March 29, 2009 at 10:12 pm

    Coll undersides and butt view. Really like the butt view. The nacelle bussards and shapes were always O_o to me, just odd “olive” pierced onto the struts. But the struts layered look with all the stuff going up the spine. Lots of speculation to what went where and how, due to the colour and lighting a lot could be extrapolated. Made for some fun threads on SFM, I even took the form too make a “pancake class”

    Thank you much for these belly and arse views Makes me laugh hardily due to how wrong everyone was :D

    MKF-

  25. March 29, 2009 at 10:17 pm

    LOL The day that I am sick in bed, is the day you post the Enterprise-J! LOL I can tell you this, it got me out of bed!

    Thanks for the photos!

  26. 36 andru1
    March 29, 2009 at 10:44 pm

    Fascinating… It almost looks as if the saucer would spin to generate gravity, and the decks would be concentric in the saucer instead of the layered deck plan we’re used to. That would fit with the windows, as the saucer doesn’t look to be thick enough for that many “normal” decks. Just a theory!

  27. 37 JNG
    March 29, 2009 at 11:07 pm

    She looks better from the back.

  28. 38 sam moreno
    March 30, 2009 at 12:03 am

    Doug my man, once again you’ve made my week!:) This ship is just as beautiful below as it is above!

  29. March 30, 2009 at 12:26 am

    The new views do enhance the appeal of the design, although the windows on the lower half the the saucer don’t make much sense as they are about as level as the floor.

  30. 40 Ichabod
    March 30, 2009 at 1:16 am

    This is the Enterprise, that should be used for a new Star Trek show.

  31. 41 FSL
    March 30, 2009 at 3:03 am

    I have always found the J fascinating. It’s just that on screen, it looks as if the aspect ratio of the display was off. But it sure look like it’s a very far ahead yet still Starfleet.

    Thanks for the nice pics.

  32. 42 Syd Hughes
    March 30, 2009 at 3:56 am

    Always dug the J. Recognizably an Enterprise, but clearly far in advance of anything we’d seen… Wonder what the interiors would look like.

  33. 43 the bluesman
    March 30, 2009 at 4:07 am

    Doug

    Well, the E-J is certainly an outside the box design.

  34. 44 Mike Okuda
    March 30, 2009 at 5:23 am

    I have always felt strongly that any new starship design should 1) show a clear family resemblance to previous Federation starships, but it should also 2) change at least one significant design element of what has come before (otherwise, why bother coming up with a new ship?).

    Doug’s Enterprise-J, like Andy’s groundbreaking Enterprise-D, needed to do #2 more strongly than the average “sister ship” design, and both do so with considerable panache.

  35. March 30, 2009 at 5:47 am

    Great thoughts on the J from all! I’ve never been quite sure what to think about it since it was seen so fleetingly on ENT. These new views help :)

  36. March 30, 2009 at 6:13 am

    Stunning stuff Doug! The J’s a beauty. You mentioned in your previous entry that it was a conceived as a city-sized generational ship, with parks, universities and so on. A few folks have talked about the very flat saucer. Is it supposed to be just a few decks thick, or decks out of phase, or is it just designed to look elegant? What’s the idea behind it? Cheers!

    Thanks again for posting these, been really looking forward to them!

    • 47 dougdrexler
      March 30, 2009 at 11:45 am

      I’m estimating the J to be five times the length of the D. Tha saucer would stack up to be about thirty decks thick.

  37. 48 the bluesman
    March 30, 2009 at 6:55 am

    Mike,

    I’d agree with you there, but even hundreds of years from now when tehE-J is supposed to be buzzin’ about I think it would need basic starship elements…hull, engines and whatever else it needs to travel though space.

    Even though a modern car today is sexy and curvy, a car is basically a car with the same basic elements a car had 60 years ago…wheels, engine, seats, lights.

    It is fascinating the fans are most itnerested in ships with less than 2 minutes screen time like the Blockade Runner, Akira and the E-J.

    The E-J is not one of my favorite designs, (sorry Doug) but I do have to admit I am still here in the 21st century and Doug is thinking hundreds of years from now.

    • 49 dougdrexler
      March 30, 2009 at 1:23 pm

      Let’s not be to Earthbound. This is science fiction, after all. It wasn’t that long ago people believed the human body could not tolerate speeds of 40 mph. If you can accept the disintegration of human beings, transmitting them 10,000 miles, and the reassembling them without a receiver on the other end (perfectly oriented to the ground, with feet flat I might add), then what’s so unbelievable about the J?

  38. 50 CessnaDriver
    March 30, 2009 at 7:12 am

    Would be nice if a model of the J came to be.
    I haven’t even seen a garage kit, maybe these pics will help.
    Some of the smaller scale collectors models like Konami, Furuta or Hotwheels would be nice to see them tackle it. They all just keep cranking out alot of similar stuff. This would be something new.

  39. 51 shipfisher
    March 30, 2009 at 9:04 am

    One of my two greatest trekship visual questions answered at Drex Files – Thanks mate! If you ever come up with a front view of that ENT intro ship with the “nozzle-fest” stern you’d be knocking off my last question too.

    I am having a little trouble making out the location of the observation deck that Archer and co. viewed that space battle from. It must be in a relatively small projection of the hull below the saucer.

  40. 52 Dave C
    March 30, 2009 at 10:49 am

    I love love LOVE this ship, and have been trying to do so in CG since it aired on TV all those years ago.

    Thank you SO MUCH for putting out these underside views – turns out I was pretty damn close to the real thing on a few occasions :p

  41. 53 Dave C
    March 30, 2009 at 10:49 am

    trying to do it in CG*

  42. 54 Boris
    March 30, 2009 at 11:53 am

    Did you find the actual Lightwave model?

  43. 56 creativedistractions
    March 30, 2009 at 12:19 pm

    Ok, now feeling like the 1% who will be up against the wall when the revolution comes, because of my opinion of the E-J, I want to ask a couple of somewhat logical questions. First off, dealing with the E-D, why was it that at the time of STNG, that the studio felt it necessary to go so far into the future with an incarnation of the Enterprise and designate it the D, when we hadn’t seen the B or C? I realize they came later on, but let’s be fair here. The B was a decent looking ship and the C made for a great transition (design evolution) from one era to another. Two, and this ties in with the E-D, as far as I can tell, the E-J was shown in Enterprise (one of those ever famous time travel episodes), but as we all know our alphabet, what happened to the F, G, H and I? That’s four incarnations, without any hint as to their design or existence. Trek folks have been pretty good with keeping a modestly consistent timeline in the history of our future, but there is a big hole here that I for one, would love to see filled.

    On a side note, i think my opinion of the E-J would change dramatically if there was more to see, in terms of all views, closeups, details, etc. I’m all for new designs, even if some original ones always seemed to work out fine (the whole “why fix it if it ain’t broke” scenario).

    Anywho, my earlier comment about the interstellar record player was all in good fun and not to be seen as a major sarcastic and demeaning remark…kinda like the pizza cutter comment. ;)

  44. 57 DavidR
    March 30, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    Thankyou sooo much Doug for digging these other shots out! Finally we get to see the J properly.

    I must say I love the design but I guess its not to everyones taste. I could really see technology getting so advanced that eventually ships can look that fragile and still be super strong (probably due to crazy materials and shield advancements). The rear shot is especially cool and you can see more of a dome shape rather than the top views pancake effect.

    I do have a few questions though..

    - Do you have a figure for how big the ship is?
    - Are the windows larger on the outer part of the sauser compared to the center (or is it an
    optical illusion)?
    - Where on that underside shot was Archer standing looking out of the window? ;)

    Oh and any chance of a link to enlarged images?, so we can see the detail better? Would really appreciate it. Even orthographic views would be amazing to see.

    Thanks

    David

    • 58 dougdrexler
      March 30, 2009 at 1:34 pm

      Hi DavidR!

      I think that if everyone loved this design, I would consider it a failure. Anything significantly futuristic always causes a stir.

      The ship is approximately two miles long. I believe that would make it about five times the length of the Enterprise D. I promise to answer more of these questions in the near future, but this coming week is very busy for me, and I will be on the road a lot. Soon, I promise.

  45. March 30, 2009 at 1:25 pm

    To enlarge the images: Copy the image adress, paste it into a new window, remove everything after the “jpg” and click enter. Pretty nice and big :-)

  46. 61 Paul
    March 30, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    I think the concept of a city ship is an interesting one. Since space is unlimited you could build these things as big as you wanted. Even concept art for the motion Picture by Ken Adams had a massive bridge/control centre which would be suited to the J.

  47. 62 creativedistractions
    March 30, 2009 at 1:53 pm

    Two miles long…and I thought in the future, people would have shorter commutes to work. Hehe :)

  48. 63 DavidR
    March 30, 2009 at 1:56 pm

    Its true that its better to be bold and daring rather than to play it safe, just look at how much this Enterprise is talked about here and around the web and you certainly have achieved a ’stir’!

  49. 64 DavidR
    March 30, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    Oh and forgot to say thanks for the length info, 2 miles! thats impressive, must have had shipyard teams working on / building sections of the ship so far apart so that wouldnt see some of their co workers for weeks!

    Looking forward to more info when your less busy, cheers Doug!

  50. 65 FSL
    March 30, 2009 at 3:45 pm

    Considering that this ship would be 5 times the length of the D, the pylon would actually be quite huge.

    Always loved that even though this doesn’t seem to be a decendant of the D or the E, it looks very much like a decendant of the NX-01.

  51. 66 dougdrexler
    March 30, 2009 at 7:28 pm

    >>The new views do enhance the appeal of the design, although the windows on the lower half the the saucer don’t make much sense as they are about as level as the floor.<<

    Mr. B – Perhaps you are walking on the ceiling on those decks. Who says the floors have to be oriented to the ship’s line of flight?

  52. 67 Jay
    March 30, 2009 at 7:51 pm

    Maybe the Enterprise-J incorporates some kind of hyper-dimensional field technology that allows it to have more interior volume than could ordinarily fit inside the three dimensional confines of its exterior layout. Like Superman’s Fortress of Solitude was for a few years before it went back to being all Dick Donner crystal spears.

  53. 68 Jay
    March 30, 2009 at 7:54 pm

    Crystal Spears … is that Britney’s sister …?

  54. March 30, 2009 at 10:12 pm

    “I think that if everyone loved this design, I would consider it a failure. Anything significantly futuristic always causes a stir.”

    That encourages me to act as the advocatus diavoli. >:-> I still don’t like the design.

    On one hand, there is a pleasant purism in it, as it can otherwise be found only in the original Enterprise and in the Enterprise-D. I could build it using a 45rpm record, a few straws, two toothpicks and two pencils (which is not a bad thing). But I find it sorta disappointing how two-dimensional the design is, so thin that it’s almost invisible from certain angles. Sure, we could certainly find explanations how advanced materials and forcefields can hold together such a huge ship with tiny cross-sections. But I have a very different idea of how a ship might work at this size.

    • 70 dougdrexler
      March 30, 2009 at 10:27 pm

      Hi Bernd – It looks 2D flat, but it isn’t. Down the road I will run some plan views. I’m happy that it is confusing. At two miles the “thin” areas really aren’t at all. You may have missed it, but earlier in the thread, I posted that the saucer is 30 decks thick. That’s the entire thickness of the Enterprise E total. Don’t be fooled.

  55. 71 Thorsten Wieking
    March 30, 2009 at 10:20 pm

    @Jay
    that allows it to have more interior volume than could ordinarily fit inside the three dimensional confines of its exterior layout
    That would be the “Tardis-prise” ;-)

    I think I’m starting to like the overall design of the ship, she looks fast even when standing still. But those windows on the saucer and the look of the saucer itself do still confuse me. But, isn’t that a good thing for a designer? That way, people have to deal with the look of an object longer and think more about it, so in the end it’s much more present in their minds.

    2 miles long, I bet they have a Defiant in their shuttle bay. ;-)

    Cheers
    Thorsten

  56. 72 Ichabod
    March 30, 2009 at 11:30 pm

    If the Enterprise-J is around 2 miles in length, wouldn’t that make it as long as the TOS Planet Killer or a Borg cube?

    It could have Voyager as shuttle craft.

  57. 73 Jay
    March 31, 2009 at 12:09 am

    “That would be the ‘Tardis-prise’”

    That’s a reference to the show about the funny man and the phone booth, right? :)

  58. 74 TJ
    March 31, 2009 at 1:13 am

    I love the whole creative process you have going on here, great work!

  59. 75 shipfisher
    March 31, 2009 at 3:07 am

    With a ship 2 miles long, those engines and pylons don’t look so spindly. The engines would be the better part of a mile long and even the smallest cross-section of the pylons would dwarf the ones from earlier ships.

    It stands to reason that more advanced engines wouldn’t need to be as big relative to what they had to throw a warp field (or more like hypertranswarp or some 26th century such) around.

    The J-prise gets prettier the more I look at it, just like the JJ-prise – go figure.

  60. 76 shipfisher
    March 31, 2009 at 3:17 am

    Sorry about the double post, but I wanted to add how I like the fact that the overall layout of the J seems to bring the Enterprise design lineage full circle with the NX-01 (ie. saucer only with bow mounted deflector and nacelles sitting up and to stern. I kind of see it as perhaps the last of the “fixed matrix” ships, with future incarnations being of the variable geometry (which parts of the J may be anyway) or holographic variety.

  61. March 31, 2009 at 10:29 am

    “Hi Bernd – It looks 2D flat, but it isn’t. Down the road I will run some plan views. I’m happy that it is confusing. At two miles the “thin” areas really aren’t at all. You may have missed it, but earlier in the thread, I posted that the saucer is 30 decks thick. That’s the entire thickness of the Enterprise E total. Don’t be fooled.”

    Oh. I couldn’t imagine 30 decks in the saucer so I thought perhaps there could be 30 decks in total. This ship is really deceptive.

    I’m looking forward to the plan views!

  62. 78 Jack Mayfield
    April 1, 2009 at 6:27 pm

    Absoluetly fantastic! Thank you for posting these amazing images. The E-J was already my favorite ship before, and now I love it even more!

  63. 79 Nerroth
    April 1, 2009 at 8:56 pm

    I like the aft view.

    I was actually thinking that perhaps by the time the UFP are building this ship, they may have had more contact with the Voth and their immense city ships – perhaps through having an increased level of interaction with the Delta Quadrant as a whole.

    Perhaps there could have been some Voth influence, if only indirectly, in the design and construction of this class of vessel?

    (One thing I’d still want to see is the ship still be, at best, ‘merely’ a match for a single Voth city-ship – much as the Federation has a knack for advancing its technology base, I don’t like the idea of them being able to leapfrog even the most advanced and ancient star-faring powers in the Milky Way quite so quickly…)

  64. 80 stu
    April 30, 2009 at 7:07 pm

    beautiful ship, such a shame it was never visible on screen apart from the computer display…and did anyone else notice the dauntless class ship fling around outside, interesting since dauntless wasn’t actually a strfleet design…altho design wise it would fit with the period lol …….but back to topic, i agree that the ship definitely looks like a decendant of the nx class with no separate secondary hull, i wasn’t keen on the nx class at first but it grew on me. however i do think u can start to see the progression from enterprise E, E-D has a very defined ‘neck’ whereas in the case of E-E and even voyager the primary and secondary hulls are much less seperate, also the swept back position of the E-E looks similar to E-J, would be very intersting to see F,G,H and I tho

  65. 81 Stu
    April 30, 2009 at 7:09 pm

    swept back position of the nacelles that should have said

  66. 82 stu
    April 30, 2009 at 7:12 pm

    swept back position of the nacelles i meant to say

  67. 83 Ryan L
    May 2, 2009 at 5:40 pm

    This is such a creative take on a future ship. Very bold and well thought out. It inspires the imagination to run wild with possibilities and hopes for more great stories to come.

    The design is right in step with the natural tech progression retaining the saucer and nacells that were hallmarks of our favorite iconic vessels.

    If that saucer comes off for battle(maybe that is too old fashion for this design) the lower hull (that reaches up to the deflector and runs back to the nacells)looks like one vicious war ship on its own. (very sharp)

    I personally,for what its worth,like the narrow struts, I think they give it almost a delta shield look on top of the IDIC resemblance you mentioned.

    Great work! I only hope they use this design for movie or tv show so we can see all the details and the huge scale.

  68. May 19, 2009 at 3:41 pm

    Hi Doug, love your work it’s magnificent. NX-01 is an amazing design.

    See with the Enterprise J, is it at all possible for you to combine the two ideas you showed in the previous post?

    It’s because I really love the stardrive section that you showed and that thing at the end of the saucer doesn’t need to be a deflector dish, just an interesting detail.

    I’d really love to see that.

  69. 85 Razor
    May 29, 2009 at 2:49 am

    Love what your doing with the J Doug. Here’s hoping its in the next series!

    2 miles you say…see now thats the damnest thing I hadn’t read your blog entry yet and i myself was imagining it as being 2 miles long.

  70. 86 anon
    October 16, 2009 at 4:51 am

    Hey Doug, long time reader first time commenter here.

    Just chiming in to say “thanks” for posting these — I found this trying to find more pictures of this design, so thank you for sharing.

    I generally like the look — it’s definitely futuristic even by space standards.

    My only “criticism” is that the warp nacelles look too traditional, like they are old technology stapled onto a 26th-century body.

    To my eyes they’d look more integrated and “natural” if they were a lot skinnier and curved (to be curved partially parallel with the disk, if you can see it); this would give the ship more of an overall organic feeling and make them blend in better with the rest of the design. Not sure you could get away with “curved, pencil-thin nacelles” but just throwing it out there for you.

    This isn’t really criticism so much as just giving my reaction; not trying to tell you “you did it wrong” but just give you my impression.

    Thanks for all your work over the years — can’t tell you how much the ships of star trek and others have done to spark my (and now my kids’) imagination and enthusiasm,

  71. 87 ANON
    November 5, 2009 at 4:26 pm

    WOAH. Thanks, I’ve been searching for this for awhile!

  72. November 8, 2009 at 12:02 am

    Also, you said you’ll post design specs, right? Design Plans?
    See if you can post them in large pics, that would help fans in making their own version of the ships to use in their own 3D Studio Max films.

    Plus, It would also help to actually see the ship WITHOUT a background, and not too much darkness and shadowing. That way, we can view all the smaller parts of the ship we can’t see. Especially the area where Archer was viewing the battle with the Sphere Builders. I thought the view port was near the back of the saucer behind the torpedo pod, which I thought was dead center below the saucer. If you look here, you see what I mean:
    http://www.neutralzone.de/database/Alien/OtherSpace/Sphere-BuilderShipI.jpg
    http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1295/entunder2ge1.jpg
    Where is that view port and torpedo bay located anyway? Can you also provide pics for that?

    If I can get a picture of the Enterprise J from every angel and location that’s hard to make out, then I can fully rebuild my LEGO model to match.

    It would mean a lot, not just to me, but everyone so that the “mystery” behind certain areas of the ship are finally seen. Like the top part of the saucer, at the center: I know the “light” in the centure is the computer core. But with about the pylons archs around it? and the “hood” behind the deflector dish, just ahead of the core? Any way we can see closes ups of that? with and without the lighting?

    As I said, it be great if you provide not just design plans, but pics of the ship without the darkness and shadowing. A lot brighter even. A close up of the warp engines and the pylons holding them in place would help too. The location of the shuttle bay woudl do as a plus. It’s below the impluse drive, correct?

    Anyways, I hope we get to hear back from you. You did a wonderful job with this design. I am OBESSED by it. It’s beautiful to look at and the over design is like a starfleet take of Noah’s ark.

    Keep up the good work. ;3

  73. 89 scott randolph
    November 18, 2009 at 8:39 pm

    I think it is a great design. Shows the shear speed at which technology and design progress. according to what i have read the ship would be nearly two miles in length and site to site transporters would be used to move about the vast distances inside. truely visionary


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